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Join us as two best friends, strategic / stoic “Erik” and observant / energetic “Steve”, as they embark on this passion project to discuss topics and experiences that surround their world of Warhammer gaming.

Podcast Episode 51 – Show Me the Doctrines!: Breaking Down the New Space Marine Codex

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The Space Marine codex is here and Erik is more excited than he’s been about anything not named Emperor’s Children. With Cousin Josh along for the ride, the guys dig into how swapping Oath of Moment for combat doctrines changes the way Erik builds and plays his Space Marines’ lists, as well as what he is worried that his opponent will do to counter those lists.

Along the way they cover:

  • Tops down list building — Erik walks through how he starts list building with a play style and win condition in mind and then how he chooses detachments, Force Dispositions, and units to align to that macro strategy
  • Goodbye Oath, hello Doctrines — why trading a point-and-click mechanic for turn-by-turn doctrine increases army flexibility but risks decision overload, and how Erik builds his lists to avoid it
  • Elite and expensive — why Space Marine lists keep drifting toward a handful of Death Stars and why your favorite models might not make the cut anymore
  • Sample list 1: Ironstorm — Erik walks through his Assault Brethren, Ironstorm Spearhead, and Gauntlet Task Force list and the guys debate two ways to beat it: a recon scoring machine that dances around it or a stat check that meets it head-on
  • Sample list 2: Stormlance — Erik’s all-gas, no-brakes melee build, and why without Oath of Moment, a well-placed screen or minus one to hit can bounce his big Assault Doctrine turn
  • Ideas on how to beat them — Erik shares the matchups that worry him most and Steve closes with his key to facing Space Marines: pick your tactic and commit with confidence

Whether you’re here for the list-building or just want to hear Steve get tricked into admitting he enjoyed a Space Marines episode, this one’s for you.

List 1: Ironstorm Spearhead

Space Marines

Ultramarines

Assault Brethren, Gauntlet Task Force, and Ironstorm Spearhead (3 Detachment Points)

Take and Hold

Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Bladeguard Ancient (70 Points)

  • Attached as: Support (Character)

  • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

  • 1x Relics of Battle

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 Points)

  • Attached as: Bodyguard

  • 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword

     ◦ 1x Neo-volkite Pistol

  • 5x Bladeguard Veteran

     ◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached unit 2

Chaplain (80 Points)

  • Attached as: Leader (Character)

  • 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol

  • 1x Crozius Arcanum

  • Enhancements: Imperium’s Sword

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 Points)

  • Attached as: Bodyguard

  • 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword

     ◦ 1x Neo-volkite Pistol

  • 5x Bladeguard Veteran

     ◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword

CHARACTERS

Roboute Guilliman (415 Points)

  • Warlord

  • 1x Emperor’s Sword

  • 1x Hand of Dominion

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Impulsor (70 Points)

  • 1x Armoured Hull

  • 1x Ironhail Heavy Stubber

  • 1x Shield Dome

  • 1x Storm Bolters

Impulsor (70 Points)

  • 1x Armoured Hull

  • 1x Ironhail Heavy Stubber

  • 1x Shield Dome

  • 1x Storm Bolters

OTHER DATASHEETS

Company Heroes (125 Points)

  • 1x Company Champion

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon

  • 1x Company veteran with bolt rifle

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

  • 1x Ancient

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

  • 1x Company Veteran with heavy bolter

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Heavy Bolter

Eradicator Squad with melta rifles (100 Points)

  • 1x Eradicator Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Ceramite Fists

     ◦ 1x Melta Rifle

  • 2x Eradicator

     ◦ 2x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 2x Ceramite Fists

     ◦ 1x Melta Rifle

     ◦ 1x Multi-melta

Eradicator Squad with melta rifles (100 Points)

  • 1x Eradicator Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Ceramite Fists

     ◦ 1x Melta Rifle

  • 2x Eradicator

     ◦ 2x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 2x Ceramite Fists

     ◦ 1x Melta Rifle

     ◦ 1x Multi-melta

Land Raider (260 Points)

  • 1x Armoured Tracks

  • 2x Godhammer Lascannon

  • 1x Hunter-killer Missile

  • 1x Multi-melta

  • 1x Storm Bolter

  • 1x Twin Heavy Bolter

  • Enhancements: Gunnery Honours (Upgrade)

Land Raider (280 Points)

  • 1x Armoured Tracks

  • 2x Godhammer Lascannon

  • 1x Hunter-killer Missile

  • 1x Multi-melta

  • 1x Storm Bolter

  • 1x Twin Heavy Bolter

  • Enhancements: Gunnery Honours (Upgrade)

Scout Squad (65 Points)

  • 1x Scout Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Boltgun

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

  • 4x Scout

     ◦ 4x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 4x Boltgun

     ◦ 4x Combat Knife

List 2: Stormlance Task Force

Space Marines

Ultramarines

Assault Brethren, Stormlance Task Force, and Terminator Storm Force (3 Detachment Points)

Priority Assets

Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Marneus Calgar (180 Points)

  • Attached as: Leader (Character)

  • Warlord

  • 1x Gauntlets of Ultramar

Kaius Konorius (100 Points)

  • Attached as: Support (Character)

  • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

  • 1x Severance and Rebuke

Victrix Honour Guard (275 Points)

  • Attached as: Bodyguard

  • Enhancements: Furious Assault (Upgrade)

  • 1x Chapter Champion

     ◦ 1x Blades of Honour

  • 1x Chapter Ancient

     ◦ 1x Banner of Macragge

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Carbine

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon

  • 4x Victrix Honour Guard

     ◦ 4x Master-crafted Bolt Carbine

     ◦ 4x Master-crafted Power Weapon

Attached unit 2

Ancient in Terminator Armour (75 Points)

  • Attached as: Support (Character)

  • 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon

  • 1x Storm Bolter

Terminator Assault Squad (365 Points)

  • Attached as: Bodyguard

  • 1x Terminator Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Twin Lightning Claws

  • 9x Terminator

     ◦ 5x Storm Shield

     ◦ 5x Thunder Hammer

     ◦ 4x Twin Lightning Claws

CHARACTERS

Captain on Bike (110 Points)

  • 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

  • 1x Thunder Hammer

  • 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Chaplain on Bike (95 Points)

  • 1x Absolvor Bolt Pistol

  • 1x Crozius Arcanum

  • 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

  • Enhancements: Imperium’s Sword

OTHER DATASHEETS

Company Heroes (125 Points)

  • 1x Company Champion

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon

  • 1x Company veteran with bolt rifle

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

  • 1x Ancient

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Rifle

  • 1x Company Veteran with heavy bolter

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Master-crafted Heavy Bolter

Outrider Squad (80 Points)

  • 2x Outrider

     ◦ 2x Chainsword

     ◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle

  • 1x Outrider Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Plasma Pistol

     ◦ 1x Power Weapon

     ◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Outrider Squad (80 Points)

  • 2x Outrider

     ◦ 2x Chainsword

     ◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle

  • 1x Outrider Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Plasma Pistol

     ◦ 1x Power Weapon

     ◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

Scout Squad (65 Points)

  • 1x Scout Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Boltgun

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

  • 4x Scout

     ◦ 4x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 4x Boltgun

     ◦ 4x Combat Knife

Scout Squad (65 Points)

  • 1x Scout Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 1x Boltgun

     ◦ 1x Combat Knife

  • 4x Scout

     ◦ 4x Bolt Pistol

     ◦ 4x Boltgun

     ◦ 4x Combat Knife

Terminator Squad (190 Points)

  • 4x Terminator

     ◦ 1x Assault Cannon

     ◦ 4x Power Fist

     ◦ 3x Storm Bolter

  • 1x Terminator Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Power Fist

     ◦ 1x Storm Bolter

Terminator Squad (190 Points)

  • 4x Terminator

     ◦ 1x Assault Cannon

     ◦ 4x Power Fist

     ◦ 3x Storm Bolter

  • 1x Terminator Sergeant

     ◦ 1x Power Fist

     ◦ 1x Storm Bolter

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