Join Erik and Steve from the “Grown Men Playing with Toys” podcast as they dive into the importance of marrying the optimization of a list to different play styles. After receiving listener feedback, the guys discuss the importance of building lists that align with personal gameplay preferences, whether aggressive or defensive, and how that impacts list optimization. They’ll once again use Steve’s Leagues of Votann list as an example and, in addition, the guys will go through a set of options on how to spend the recent Balance Dataslate and Munitorum Field Manual points updates. Lastly, they’ll conclude by emphasizing the values of having confidence in one’s play strategy and list working together.
Chapters ands Topics:
0:00 – Introduction
1:20 – Recap of Part 1 and Listener Feedback
4:09 – Play Style Differences and Impact to List Building
25:22 – Settle on the Core “The List”
31:15 – Updating for the Dataslate – 3 Options
37:02 – Steve Weighs the Options
41:29 – Erik Defends His Preference
51:08 – Confidence and Playstyle Alignment
59:42 – Steve Sneaks Painting into the Discussion
1:05:12 – Final Thoughts and Outro
List Options:
Option 1:
Leagues of Votann
Needgaârd Oathband
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Arkanyst Evaluator (65 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Transmatter inverter
Brôkhyr Iron-master (75 Points)
• 1x Brôkhyr Iron-master
◦ 1x Graviton hammer
◦ 1x Graviton rifle
• 1x Ironkin Assistant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Las-beam cutter
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Plasma torch
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Manipulator arms
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
Memnyr Strategist (75 Points)
• 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• Enhancements: Oathbound Speculator
Memnyr Strategist (45 Points)
• 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
Ûthar the Destined (95 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Blade of the Ancestors
• 1x Rampart Crest
• 1x Volkanite disintegrator
BATTLELINE
Hearthkyn Warriors (100 Points)
• 1x Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Theyn’s melee weapon
◦ 1x Weavefield crest
• 9x Hearthkyn Warrior
◦ 9x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 7x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x HYLas auto rifle
◦ 1x Magna-rail rifle
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Kapricus Carrier (75 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Magna-coil autocannon
• 1x Smoke Launcher
• 1x Twin magna‑coil autocannon
Sagitaur (90 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x HYLas beam cannon
• 1x Twin bolt cannon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Brôkhyr Thunderkyn (160 Points)
• 6x Brôkhyr Thunderkyn
◦ 6x Close combat weapon
◦ 6x SP conversion beamer
Brôkhyr Thunderkyn (80 Points)
• 3x Brôkhyr Thunderkyn
◦ 3x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Graviton blast cannon
Hekaton Land Fortress (240 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x MATR autocannon
• 1x Panspectral Scanner
• 1x SP heavy conversion beamer
• 2x Twin bolt cannon
Hekaton Land Fortress (240 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x Heavy magna-rail cannon
• 1x MATR autocannon
• 1x Panspectral Scanner
• 2x Twin bolt cannon
Hernkyn Pioneers (80 Points)
• 3x Hernkyn Pioneer
◦ 3x Bolt revolver
◦ 3x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x HYLas rotary cannon
◦ 3x Magna-coil autocannon
◦ 1x Panspectral Scanner
◦ 3x Plasma knife
◦ 1x Rollbar Searchlight
Hernkyn Pioneers (80 Points)
• 3x Hernkyn Pioneer
◦ 3x Bolt revolver
◦ 3x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x HYLas rotary cannon
◦ 3x Magna-coil autocannon
◦ 1x Panspectral Scanner
◦ 3x Plasma knife
◦ 1x Rollbar Searchlight
Hernkyn Yaegirs (90 Points)
• 1x Yaegir Theyn
◦ 1x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 9x Hernkyn Yaegir
◦ 1x APM launcher
◦ 7x Bolt shotgun
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Magna-coil rifle
Ironkin Steeljacks with Melee Weapons (170 Points)
• 1x Steeljack Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Plasma sword
◦ 1x Preymark Crest
• 5x Ironkin Steeljack
◦ 5x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 5x Plasma sword
Ironkin Steeljacks with Melee Weapons (170 Points)
• 1x Steeljack Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Plasma sword
◦ 1x Preymark Crest
• 5x Ironkin Steeljack
◦ 5x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 5x Plasma sword
Kapricus Defenders (70 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Magna‑rail cannon
• 1x Smoke Launcher
• 1x Twin magna‑coil autocannon
Option 2:
Leagues of Votann
Needgaârd Oathband
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Arkanyst Evaluator (65 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Transmatter inverter
Brôkhyr Iron-master (75 Points)
• 1x Brôkhyr Iron-master
◦ 1x Graviton hammer
◦ 1x Graviton rifle
• 1x Ironkin Assistant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Las-beam cutter
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Plasma torch
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Manipulator arms
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
Kâhl (65 Points)
• 1x Forgewrought plasma axe
• 1x Rampart Crest
• 1x Volkanite disintegrator
Memnyr Strategist (55 Points)
• 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• Enhancements: Dead Reckoning
Ûthar the Destined (95 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Blade of the Ancestors
• 1x Rampart Crest
• 1x Volkanite disintegrator
BATTLELINE
Hearthkyn Warriors (100 Points)
• 1x Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Theyn’s melee weapon
◦ 1x Weavefield crest
• 9x Hearthkyn Warrior
◦ 9x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 7x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x HYLas auto rifle
◦ 1x Magna-rail rifle
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Kapricus Carrier (75 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Magna-coil autocannon
• 1x Smoke Launcher
• 1x Twin magna‑coil autocannon
Sagitaur (90 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x HYLas beam cannon
• 1x Twin bolt cannon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Brôkhyr Thunderkyn (160 Points)
• 6x Brôkhyr Thunderkyn
◦ 6x Close combat weapon
◦ 6x SP conversion beamer
Brôkhyr Thunderkyn (80 Points)
• 3x Brôkhyr Thunderkyn
◦ 3x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Graviton blast cannon
Hekaton Land Fortress (240 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x MATR autocannon
• 1x Panspectral Scanner
• 1x SP heavy conversion beamer
• 2x Twin bolt cannon
Hekaton Land Fortress (240 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x Heavy magna-rail cannon
• 1x MATR autocannon
• 1x Panspectral Scanner
• 2x Twin bolt cannon
Hernkyn Pioneers (80 Points)
• 3x Hernkyn Pioneer
◦ 3x Bolt revolver
◦ 3x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x HYLas rotary cannon
◦ 3x Magna-coil autocannon
◦ 1x Panspectral Scanner
◦ 3x Plasma knife
◦ 1x Rollbar Searchlight
Hernkyn Pioneers (80 Points)
• 3x Hernkyn Pioneer
◦ 3x Bolt revolver
◦ 3x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x HYLas rotary cannon
◦ 3x Magna-coil autocannon
◦ 1x Panspectral Scanner
◦ 3x Plasma knife
◦ 1x Rollbar Searchlight
Hernkyn Yaegirs (90 Points)
• 1x Yaegir Theyn
◦ 1x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 9x Hernkyn Yaegir
◦ 1x APM launcher
◦ 7x Bolt shotgun
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Magna-coil rifle
Ironkin Steeljacks with Melee Weapons (170 Points)
• 1x Steeljack Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Plasma sword
◦ 1x Preymark Crest
• 5x Ironkin Steeljack
◦ 5x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 5x Plasma sword
Ironkin Steeljacks with Melee Weapons (170 Points)
• 1x Steeljack Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Plasma sword
◦ 1x Preymark Crest
• 5x Ironkin Steeljack
◦ 5x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 5x Plasma sword
Kapricus Defenders (70 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Magna‑rail cannon
• 1x Smoke Launcher
• 1x Twin magna‑coil autocannon
Option 3:
Leagues of Votann
Needgaârd Oathband
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Arkanyst Evaluator (95 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Transmatter inverter
• Enhancements: Oathbound Speculator
Buri Aegnirssen (95 Points)
• 1x Autoch‑pattern bolt pistol
• 1x Bane
Memnyr Strategist (55 Points)
• 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• Enhancements: Dead Reckoning
Ûthar the Destined (95 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Blade of the Ancestors
• 1x Rampart Crest
• 1x Volkanite disintegrator
BATTLELINE
Hearthkyn Warriors (100 Points)
• 1x Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Theyn’s melee weapon
◦ 1x Weavefield crest
• 9x Hearthkyn Warrior
◦ 9x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 7x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x HYLas auto rifle
◦ 1x Magna-rail rifle
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Kapricus Carrier (75 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Magna-coil autocannon
• 1x Smoke Launcher
• 1x Twin magna‑coil autocannon
Sagitaur (90 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x HYLas beam cannon
• 1x Twin bolt cannon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Brôkhyr Thunderkyn (160 Points)
• 6x Brôkhyr Thunderkyn
◦ 6x Close combat weapon
◦ 6x SP conversion beamer
Brôkhyr Thunderkyn (80 Points)
• 3x Brôkhyr Thunderkyn
◦ 3x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Graviton blast cannon
Hekaton Land Fortress (240 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x MATR autocannon
• 1x Panspectral Scanner
• 1x SP heavy conversion beamer
• 2x Twin bolt cannon
Hekaton Land Fortress (240 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x Heavy magna-rail cannon
• 1x MATR autocannon
• 1x Panspectral Scanner
• 2x Twin bolt cannon
Hernkyn Pioneers (80 Points)
• 3x Hernkyn Pioneer
◦ 3x Bolt revolver
◦ 3x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x HYLas rotary cannon
◦ 3x Magna-coil autocannon
◦ 1x Panspectral Scanner
◦ 3x Plasma knife
◦ 1x Rollbar Searchlight
Hernkyn Pioneers (80 Points)
• 3x Hernkyn Pioneer
◦ 3x Bolt revolver
◦ 3x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x HYLas rotary cannon
◦ 3x Magna-coil autocannon
◦ 1x Panspectral Scanner
◦ 3x Plasma knife
◦ 1x Rollbar Searchlight
Hernkyn Yaegirs (90 Points)
• 1x Yaegir Theyn
◦ 1x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 9x Hernkyn Yaegir
◦ 1x APM launcher
◦ 7x Bolt shotgun
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Magna-coil rifle
Ironkin Steeljacks with Melee Weapons (170 Points)
• 1x Steeljack Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Plasma sword
◦ 1x Preymark Crest
• 5x Ironkin Steeljack
◦ 5x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 5x Plasma sword
Ironkin Steeljacks with Melee Weapons (170 Points)
• 1x Steeljack Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Plasma sword
◦ 1x Preymark Crest
• 5x Ironkin Steeljack
◦ 5x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 5x Plasma sword
Kapricus Defenders (70 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Magna‑rail cannon
• 1x Smoke Launcher
• 1x Twin magna‑coil autocannon
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