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In this episode of the “Grown Men Playing With Toys” podcast, Erik and Steve delve into what constitutes a ‘good game’ in their Warhammer 40K practice sessions. They emphasize the importance of immersion, challenge, and long-term strategic value. Erik discusses his writers block with choosing “good” practice matchups for his various army lists, including Blood Angels, Emperor’s Children, Harlequins, and Necrons. Steve then helps him work through it as the guys brainstorm potential matchups to provide a balanced yet challenging experience. They also highlight the role that pre-game communication plays in ensuring that both players gain experience and enjoyment from the game.
Lists discussed in the episode are below. Please comment if you have ideas for good matchups into them.
The Lists Being Discussed:
Blood Angels – Rage-Cursed Onslaught
Space Marines
Blood Angels
Rage-cursed Onslaught
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Captain with Jump Pack (100 Points)
• 1x Hand flamer
• 1x Power fist
• Enhancements: Master of the Red Thirst
Captain with Jump Pack (100 Points)
• 1x Hand flamer
• 1x Power fist
• Enhancements: Angel’s Fang
Chaplain with Jump Pack (75 Points)
• 1x Crozius arcanum
• 1x Inferno pistol
Chaplain with Jump Pack (75 Points)
• 1x Crozius arcanum
• 1x Inferno pistol
Chief Librarian Mephiston (120 Points)
• 1x Fury of the Ancients
• 1x Plasma pistol
• 1x Vitarus
Commander Dante (120 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Perdition Pistol
• 1x The Axe Mortalis
Lemartes (100 Points)
• 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
• 1x The Blood Crozius
OTHER DATASHEETS
Death Company Dreadnought (160 Points)
• 1x Blood talons
• 1x Twin Icarus ironhail heavy stubber
• 1x Twin multi-melta
Death Company Dreadnought (160 Points)
• 1x Blood talons
• 1x Twin Icarus ironhail heavy stubber
• 1x Twin multi-melta
Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (230 Points)
• 10x Death Company Marine with Jump Packs
◦ 6x Astartes chainsword
◦ 2x Eviscerator
◦ 8x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 2x Inferno pistol
◦ 2x Power fist
Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (120 Points)
• 5x Death Company Marine with Jump Packs
◦ 2x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Eviscerator
◦ 3x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 1x Inferno pistol
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 2x Power fist
Death Company Marines with Jump Packs (120 Points)
• 5x Death Company Marine with Jump Packs
◦ 2x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Eviscerator
◦ 3x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 1x Inferno pistol
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 2x Power fist
Sanguinary Guard (125 Points)
• 3x Sanguinary Guard
◦ 3x Angelus boltgun
◦ 3x Encarmine spear
◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner
Sanguinary Guard (125 Points)
• 3x Sanguinary Guard
◦ 3x Angelus boltgun
◦ 3x Encarmine spear
◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner
Sanguinary Guard (125 Points)
• 3x Sanguinary Guard
◦ 3x Angelus boltgun
◦ 3x Encarmine spear
◦ 1x Sanguinary Banner
Scout Squad (70 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Boltgun
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
Scout Squad (70 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Astartes chainsword
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Boltgun
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
Emperor’s Children – Court of the Phoenician
Emperor’s Children
Court of the Phoenician
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh (200 Points)
• 1x Hellforged weapons
• 1x Infernal cannon
• Enhancements: Spiritsliver
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh (180 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Hellforged weapons
• 1x Infernal cannon
Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with Wings (215 Points)
• 1x Hellforged weapons
• 1x Infernal cannon
Lord Exultant (95 Points)
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Phoenix power spear
• 1x Rapture lash
• Enhancements: Soulstain Made Manifest
Lord Exultant (80 Points)
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Phoenix power spear
• 1x Rapture lash
Lord Exultant (80 Points)
• 1x Bolt Pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Phoenix power spear
• 1x Rapture lash
BATTLELINE
Infractors (85 Points)
• 1x Obsessionist
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 4x Infractor
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Duelling sabre
◦ 1x Icon of Excess
Infractors (85 Points)
• 1x Obsessionist
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 4x Infractor
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Duelling sabre
◦ 1x Icon of Excess
Infractors (85 Points)
• 1x Obsessionist
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 4x Infractor
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Duelling sabre
◦ 1x Icon of Excess
Tormentors (85 Points)
• 1x Obsessionist
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 4x Tormentor
◦ 2x Boltgun
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Icon of Excess
◦ 1x Meltagun
◦ 1x Plasma gun
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Chaos Rhino (80 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Combi-bolter
• 1x Combi-bolter
• 1x Havoc launcher
Chaos Rhino (80 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Combi-bolter
• 1x Combi-bolter
• 1x Havoc launcher
OTHER DATASHEETS
Flawless Blades (220 Points)
• 6x Flawless Blade
◦ 6x Blissblade
◦ 6x Bolt pistol
Maulerfiend (130 Points)
• 1x Lasher tendrils
• 1x Maulerfiend fists
Noise Marines (145 Points)
• 1x Disharmonist
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Sonic blaster
• 5x Noise Marine
◦ 2x Blastmaster
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Sonic blaster
Noise Marines (145 Points)
• 1x Disharmonist
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Sonic blaster
• 5x Noise Marine
◦ 2x Blastmaster
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Sonic blaster
Harlequins – Serpent’s Brood
Aeldari
Serpent’s Brood
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Death Jester (100 Points)
• 1x Flip Belt
• 1x Jester’s blade
• 1x Shrieker cannon
• Enhancements: Fanged Leer
Solitaire (115 Points)
• 1x Flip Belt
• 1x Solitaire weapons
Troupe Master (95 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Flip Belt
• 1x Fusion pistol
• 1x Troupe Master’s blade
• Enhancements: Key of Ghosts
Troupe Master (75 Points)
• 1x Flip Belt
• 1x Fusion pistol
• 1x Troupe Master’s blade
Troupe Master (95 Points)
• 1x Flip Belt
• 1x Fusion pistol
• 1x Troupe Master’s blade
• Enhancements: Weaver’s Wail
BATTLELINE
Troupe (85 Points)
• 1x Lead Player
◦ 1x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 4x Player
◦ 4x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 4x Harlequin’s special weapon
◦ 2x Neuro disruptor
◦ 1x Shuriken pistol
Troupe (85 Points)
• 1x Lead Player
◦ 1x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 4x Player
◦ 4x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 4x Harlequin’s special weapon
◦ 2x Neuro disruptor
◦ 1x Shuriken pistol
Troupe (85 Points)
• 1x Lead Player
◦ 1x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 4x Player
◦ 4x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 4x Harlequin’s blade
◦ 2x Neuro disruptor
◦ 1x Shuriken pistol
Troupe (85 Points)
• 1x Lead Player
◦ 1x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 4x Player
◦ 4x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 4x Harlequin’s blade
◦ 2x Neuro disruptor
◦ 1x Shuriken pistol
Troupe (205 Points)
• 1x Lead Player
◦ 1x Flip Belt
◦ 1x Fusion pistol
◦ 1x Power sword
• 11x Player
◦ 11x Flip Belt
◦ 3x Fusion pistol
◦ 11x Harlequin’s blade
◦ 4x Neuro disruptor
◦ 4x Shuriken pistol
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Starweaver (80 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 2x Shuriken cannon
Starweaver (80 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 2x Shuriken cannon
Starweaver (80 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 2x Shuriken cannon
Starweaver (80 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 2x Shuriken cannon
Starweaver (80 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 2x Shuriken cannon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Skyweavers (190 Points)
• 4x Skyweaver
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Skyweaver haywire cannon
◦ 4x Zephyrglaive
Skyweavers (190 Points)
• 4x Skyweaver
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Skyweaver haywire cannon
◦ 4x Zephyrglaive
Skyweavers (190 Points)
• 4x Skyweaver
◦ 4x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Skyweaver haywire cannon
◦ 4x Zephyrglaive
Necrons – Cursed Legion
Necrons
Cursed Legion
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Chronomancer (80 Points)
• 1x Chronomancer’s stave
• Enhancements: Murdermind
C’tan Shard of the Nightbringer (315 Points)
• 1x Gaze of death
• 1x Scythe of the Nightbringer
Hexmark Destroyer (75 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Enmitic disintegrator pistols
Hexmark Destroyer (75 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Enmitic disintegrator pistols
Lokhust Lord (80 Points)
• 1x Resurrection Orb
• 1x Staff of light
Nekrosor Ammentar (165 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Blade tail and whip coils
• 1x Enmitic disintegrators
• 1x Nullstone Field Generator (Aura)
• 1x Unmaker Gauntlet
Overlord (105 Points)
• 1x Resurrection Orb
• 1x Voidscythe
• Enhancements: Destroyer Ankh
Skorpekh Lord (115 Points)
• 1x Enmitic annihilator
• 1x Flensing claw
• 1x Hyperphase harvester
• Enhancements: Cursed Circlet
OTHER DATASHEETS
Lokhust Destroyers (180 Points)
• 6x Lokhust Destroyer
◦ 6x Close combat weapon
◦ 6x Gauss cannon
Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (55 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Enmitic exterminator
Lokhust Heavy Destroyers (55 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Enmitic exterminator
Lychguard (170 Points)
• 10x Lychguard
◦ 10x Dispersion Shield
◦ 10x Hyperphase sword
Ophydian Destroyers (80 Points)
• 3x Ophydian Destroyer
◦ 3x Ophydian hyperphase weapons
◦ 1x Plasmacyte
Ophydian Destroyers (80 Points)
• 3x Ophydian Destroyer
◦ 3x Ophydian hyperphase weapons
◦ 1x Plasmacyte
Skorpekh Destroyers (180 Points)
• 6x Skorpekh Destroyer
◦ 2x Plasmacyte
◦ 6x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons
Skorpekh Destroyers (90 Points)
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
◦ 1x Plasmacyte
◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons
Skorpekh Destroyers (90 Points)
• 3x Skorpekh Destroyer
◦ 1x Plasmacyte
◦ 3x Skorpekh hyperphase weapons
Necrons – Pantheon of Woe
Necrons
Pantheon of Woe
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
CHARACTERS
C’tan Shard of the Deceiver (325 Points)
• 1x Cosmic insanity
• 1x Golden fists
C’tan Shard of the Nightbringer (345 Points)
• 1x Gaze of death
• 1x Scythe of the Nightbringer
Hexmark Destroyer (75 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Enmitic disintegrator pistols
Transcendent C’tan (330 Points)
• 1x Crackling tendrils
• 1x Seismic assault
Transcendent C’tan (330 Points)
• 1x Crackling tendrils
• 1x Seismic assault
OTHER DATASHEETS
Deathmarks (60 Points)
• 5x Deathmark
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 5x Synaptic disintegrator
Deathmarks (60 Points)
• 5x Deathmark
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 5x Synaptic disintegrator
Flayed Ones (60 Points)
• 5x Flayed One
◦ 5x Flayer claws
Flayed Ones (60 Points)
• 5x Flayed One
◦ 5x Flayer claws
Lokhust Destroyers (40 Points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Gauss cannon
Ophydian Destroyers (80 Points)
• 3x Ophydian Destroyer
◦ 3x Ophydian hyperphase weapons
Ophydian Destroyers (80 Points)
• 3x Ophydian Destroyer
◦ 3x Ophydian hyperphase weapons
Tomb Blades (75 Points)
• 3x Tomb Blade
◦ 3x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Shadowloom
◦ 3x Twin tesla carbine
Tomb Blades (75 Points)
• 3x Tomb Blade
◦ 3x Close combat weapon
◦ 3x Shadowloom
◦ 3x Twin tesla carbine
CSM – Renegade Warband
TBD – awaiting GW App update
Potential Opponent’s:
Space Marines (Ultramarines, Raven Guard, Imperial Fists)
Blood Angels
Grey Knights
Custodes
Chaos Knights
Chaos Daemons (Shadow Legion only)
CSM
Emperor’s Children
Aeldari
Necrons
Orks
Tyranids
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